Please pardon the baseball bat. I thought you were a Christian.

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"One has to wonder if anyone has ever been killed by strangers on the streets of America because someone mistook them for being Christian."

On American streets, probably not (although, if there are such incidents, I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn of them). But in other parts of the world (especially Arab/Muslim ones), yeah it does.

Personally, while I understand your ire at Huckabee, he's really a big old nothing. The way the world is today, it doesn't matter if you are black, white, gay, straight, male, female, Chirstain or Muslim, it's a violent place wherever you go. Hell, there are websites who's sole purpose, is the uploading of film clips, that show people of all races, genders and religions being assualted (perhaps even killed, since you don't know what happens to them after the film clip ends). And the only thing worse and more disturbing than the clips themselves, are the comments people who come to view them make on them.

So, Huckabee's lack of compassion towards the gay community, Scott, isn't all that much of a surprise. He's just rolling with the ways of today. There's really very little compassion or mercy in the world in which we live now, no matter what your sexual orientation (or gender, or race, or religion) might be. The basic thought of many people today is this: if you don't like something, beat the hell out of it. Is it any wonder why online interaction is so nasty and ruthless, when the "real world" is pretty much no different?

On American streets, probably not (although, if there are such incidents, I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn of them). But in other parts of the world (especially Arab/Muslim ones), yeah it does.

True and the same thing happens to gays there too ... of course, the US stepped in to negotiate a stop of the executions of the people accused of being heresy for being Christians but did not do the same for the executions of the homosexuals. The US is even now refusing to go along with a UN proposal to say that making homosexuality illegal is wrong while being fairly vocal on religious rights. Can you imagine a US President not signing up with the UN’s fight against religious intolerance?

Personally, while I understand your ire at Huckabee, he's really a big old nothing.

Huckabee is a contender for the Presidency of the US. He has a TV show in the US. He influences policy of the Republican Party in the US, which will certainly be sending someone to the Oval Office at some point. He’s a better candidate than Palin. While it is true that bad things happen to people, it is also true that pointing out that someone important in the US is fostering those things is important. I have every confidence that President Huckabee would fight for the rights of Christians around the world. For me, however ...

The way the world is today, it doesn't matter if you are black, white, gay, straight, male, female, Chirstain or Muslim, it's a violent place wherever you go.

I’m afraid we are going to have to differ on this point. I do not fear being attacked on the street unless it is over the issue of me being gay. You’re married. Do you ever fear that someone will beat you or that you’ll lose your job or that your house will be vandalized if someone finds out you’re married? I have the same odds of being mugged as just about anyone. The odds of you and me being mugged for our money are probably about the same. However, the odds of being attacked, fired, or having our homes vandalized because of our marriages are very different.

There's really very little compassion or mercy in the world in which we live now, no matter what your sexual orientation (or gender, or race, or religion) might be.

I will only note again that I am less cynical than you.

hmmmm.... Someone's family could throw their child out on the street with no support or shelter because they are gay. A company could fire a person for revealing they are gay. A military person can be discharged because they wrote a Xmas card to a significant other or even a friend that happens to mention that they are gay or express intimate thoughts to a partner. A person can be killed or attacked while walking down the street because they happened to hold hands with someone. A boy can be shot in the head in a local school by another boy because the boy shot was perceived as being gay or was openly gay in school. A community of gays and lesbians in a state can have their rights that were already in existence taken away from them because of who they are by public vote. An actor, politician, or even the every day worker could have their career ruined because they were discovered or even perceived to be gay or lesbian. Discrimination by perception and misunderstanding in all these cases isn't the same is it?
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I think part of it is that since homosexuals can conceal their sexuality and hide amongst the "normal" people, many "normal" people think that they should... not out of malice but out of the "It's not my problem" syndrome.

I've heard plenty of people try to justify their homophobia with "Well I don't care what they do so long as I don't have to see it..."
Great post! I had never heard of the two stories you began your blog with and I was shocked. I keep forgetting how far we haven't moved in society.

I keep forgetting how far we haven't moved in society.

yeah, I just hope I'm not pushing the point too far. I'm mean, there have been huge advances since I was kid. The world has improved in ways that I never expected. Still, I can't help but to be afraid now and then.

The thing that spooked me is that, except for the location, the victims in your first story could have been me and my dad. Or worse, my brother and my dad. (We take turns helping my shop for my mom because he can't get around very well.) And even I, who had once been mistaken for being gay and hassled for it as a kid, would have been as oblivious to this danger as the men in your two stories.

But the thing that troubles me most is how people will rationalize the worst acts because the victims were gay or perceived to be gay. The thugs in the first story SHOT AN INFIRM AND DEFENSELESS OLD MAN, for God's sake! And the very idea that a state majority could take away preexisting rights of a smaller group should be repellent to Americans, but apparently the fact that the smaller group was gays seemed to make it A-OK, and they passed Prop 8.

And the reason that blacks in the 60's were more frequently victims of violence than gays today was the same reason that the World War II internment camps held more Japanese-Americans than German-Americans. In both cases, the latter group found it easier to conceal themselves.

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